Funding search · EIN 135637595 · Palm Beach, FL

Whitehall Foundation

Name: Whitehall Foundation grants, 2020–2023
Creator: PaperOrbit
License: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/exempt-organization-public-disclosure-and-availability-requirements

A private foundation (files IRS Form 990-PF). Most private foundations do not take unsolicited applications; the route in is usually a program officer.

452
grants reported: $21.7M
total given: 2020–2023
filing years: $5,000
median grant

Based on grants this organization reported to the IRS for tax years 2020–2023. This is what they filed, not a complete record of their giving, and recent years may be incomplete because filings lag.

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Funding pattern

What this funder pays for, at what size, and how to position adjacent work. Read from their filings, with every number checked against the record.

189 grants matching “biology” · $20.5M

$297,000
University of Pittsburgh · Pittsburgh, PA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Houston, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of New Mexico · Albuquerque, NM · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Rowan University · Stratford, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University New Brunswick · New Brunswick, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University Piscataway · Piscataway, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Stanford University · Stanford, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Texas a&M University College Station · College Station, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Alabama Birmingham · Birmingham, AL · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of California Irvine · Irvine, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of California Los Angeles · Los Angeles, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of California San Diego · La Jolla, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Champaign, IL · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Massachusetts Worcester · Worcester, MA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Michigan · Ann Arbor, MI · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of North Carolina Chapel Hill · Chapel Hill, NC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Pennsylvania · Philadelphia, PA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Texas Austin · Austin, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Utah · Salt Lake City, UT · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University · Blacksburg, VA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Wake Forest University · Winstonsalem, NC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center · Los Angeles, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Duke University · Durham, NC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Emory University · Atlanta, GA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Massachusetts Institute of Technology · Cambridge, MA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Medical University of South Carolina · Charleston, SC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Ohio State University · Columbus, OH · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Princeton University · Princeton, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$97,000
Boston University · Boston, MA · 2023
Biological research
$82,987
Columbia University · New York, NY · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Cornell University Ithaca · Ithaca, NY · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Urbana, IL · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of Massachusetts Worcester · Worcester, MA · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of Wisconsin Madison · Madison, WI · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Medical University of South Carolina · Charleston, SC · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Los Angeles · Los Angeles, CA · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Mount Sinai School of Medicine · New York, NY · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Stanford University · Palo Alto, CA · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Case Western Reserve University · Cleveland, OH · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Santa Cruz · Santa Cruz, CA · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of Colorado Denver · Aurora, CO · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
Northwestern University Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2023
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Santa Barbara · Santa Barbara, CA · 2023
Biological research
$38,000
Northeastern University · Boston, MA · 2023
Biological research
$27,000
State University of New York Albany · Albany, NY · 2023
Biological research
$22,000
Yale University · New Haven, CT · 2023
Biological research
$350,000
University of California San Diego · Los Angeles, CA · 2022
Biological research
$300,000
Emory University · Oklahoma City, OK · 2022
Biological research
$275,000
University of Pittsburgh · Pittsburgh, PA · 2022
Biological research
$250,000
University of California Los Angeles · Sherman Oaks, CA · 2022
Biological research
$250,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
Medical University of South Carolina · Los Angeles, CA · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
Columbia University · New York, NY · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2022
Biological research
$172,000
Boston University · New York, NY · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Urbana, IL · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
University of California Santa Cruz · Santa Cruz, CA · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University Ithaca · Ithaca, NY · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of New Mexico · Albuquerque, NM · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Ohio State University · St Louis, MO · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Princeton University · Princeton, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Rowan University · Glassboro, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University New Brunswick · Piscataway, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University Piscataway · Piscataway, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University · Blacksburg, VA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Texas a&M University College Station · Los Angeles, CA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Universtiy of North Carolina Chapel Hill · Chapel Hill, NC · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of Texas Austin · Austin, TX · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center · West Hollywood, CA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of Alabama Birmingham · Birmingham, AL · 2022
Biological research
$97,000
Yale University · Hamden, CT · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Georgetown University · Washington, DC · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Santa Barbara · Santa Barbara, CA · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Stanford University · Bronx, NY · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Rutgers University Newark · Piscataway, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Northwestern University Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
University of Massachusetts Worchester · Bronx, NY · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Cornell University New York · New York, NY · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Vanderbilt University · Nashville, TN · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Case Western Reserve University · Cleveland, OH · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
University of Oklahoma Oklahoma City · Oklahoma City, OK · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
University of Pennsylvania · Philadelphia, PA · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Mount Sinai School of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Johns Hopkins University · Baltimore, MD · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
Drexel University · Philadelphia, PA · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
University of Texas San Antonio · San Antonio, TX · 2022
Biological research
$75,000
University of Wisconsin Madison · Madison, WI · 2022
Biological research
$37,999
Northeastern University · Boston, MA · 2022
Biological research
$27,000
State University of New York Albany · Albany, NY · 2022
Biological research
$22,000
Children'S Hospital Boston · Newton, MA · 2022
Biological research
$250,000
University of California San Diego · La Jolla, CA · 2021
Biological research
$246,500
Boston University · New York City, NY · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
University of California Santa Barbara · Santa Barbara, CA · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
University of California Los Angeles · Sherman Oaks, CA · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
University of Utah · Salt Lake City, UT · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2021
Biological research
$196,500
Yale University · New Haven, CT · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
Rutgers University Newark · Piscataway, NJ · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
University of Pittsburgh · Pittsburgh, PA · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
Columbia University · New York City, NY · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
University of Pennsylvania · Philadelphia, PA · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University Ithaca · Ithaca, NY · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University New York · New York City, NY · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
Northwestern University Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
University of California Santa Cruz · Santa Cruz, CA · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Urbana, IL · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Ohio State University · St Louis, MO · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
University of South Carolina · Newton, MA · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
University of San Diego · Philadelphia, PA · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Emory University · Oklahoma City, OK · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Texas a&M University College St · Los Angeles, CA · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Florida Atlantic University · Atlanta, GA · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Case Western Reserve University · Cleveland, OH · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Massachusetts Worchester · Bronx, NY · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Minnesota Twin Cities · Minneapolis, MN · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Oklahoma Oklahoma City · Oklahoma City, OK · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Duke University · Charlotte, NC · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Mount Sinai School of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Vanderbilt University · Nashville, TN · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Northwestern University Evanston · Evanston, IL · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Stanford University · Bronx, NY · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Georgetown University · Washington, DC · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Florida State University · Tallahassee, FL · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Wisconsin Madison · Madison, WI · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Johns Hopkins University · Baltimore, MD · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Medical University of South Carolina · Los Angeles, CA · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
University of Texas San Antonio · San Antonio, TX · 2021
Biological research
$75,000
Drexel University · Philadelphia, PA · 2021
Biological research
$36,000
Northeastern University · Boston, MD · 2021
Biological research
$26,500
State University of New York Albany · Albany, NY · 2021
Biological research
$21,500
Children'S Hospital Boston · Newton, MA · 2021
Biological research
$321,500
Boston University · New York City, NY · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
University of Utah · Salt Lake City, UT · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Northwestern University Evanston · Evanston, IL · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Vanderbilt University · Nashville, TN · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of Texas Austin · Austin, TX · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of Michigan · Ann Arbor, MI · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of Minnesota Twin Cities · Minneapolis, MN · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Scripps Research Institute California · La Jolla, CA · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of California San Diego · La Jolla, CA · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University New York · New York City, NY · 2020
Biological research
$96,500
Yale University · New Haven, CT · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Rutgers University Newark · Piscataway, NJ · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Irvine · Irvine, CA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Los Angeles · Sherman Oaks, CA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Santa Barbara · Santa Barbara, CA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of California Santa Cruz · Santa Cruz, CA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of Connecticut Farmington · Farmington, CT · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Urbana, IL · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of Oklahoma Oklahoma City · Oklahoma City, OK · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
University of Texas San Antonio · San Antonio, TX · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Rutgers University Piscataway · Piscataway, NJ · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Case Western Reserve University · Cleveland, OH · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Columbia University · New York City, NY · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Drexel University · Philadelphia, PA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Duke University · Charlotte, NC · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Florida Atlantic University · Atlanta, GA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Florida State University · Tallahassee, FL · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Georgetown University · Washington, DC · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Johns Hopkins University · Baltimore, MD · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Marquette University · Milwaukee, WI · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Northwestern University Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2020
Biological research
$75,000
Purdue University · West Lafayette, IN · 2020
Biological research
$36,000
Northeastern University · Boston, MD · 2020
Biological research
$30,000
Lehigh University · Bethlehem, PA · 2020
Biological research
$26,500
State University of New York Albany · Albany, NY · 2020
Biological research
$21,500
Children'S Hospital Boston · Newton, MA · 2020
Biological research

Top recipients

Repeat recipients are the strongest signal of whether a funder has an open door or quietly re-funds the same organizations.

Albert Einstein College of Medicine5 grants · $875,000
University of California San Diego4 grants · $850,000
Boston University4 grants · $837,000
University of Pittsburgh3 grants · $747,000
University of California Los Angeles5 grants · $725,000
Washington University in St Louis4 grants · $675,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center5 grants · $650,000
University of Utah3 grants · $550,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign5 grants · $550,000
Baylor College of Medicine4 grants · $525,000

Giving over time

$4.6M

2020

$6.1M

2021

$5.9M

2022

$5.1M

2023

Grant history

The 100 largest of 452 grants.

$500,000
Trustees of the University of Pennsylvania · Philadelphia, PA · 2021
General purpose
$350,000
University of California San Diego · Los Angeles, CA · 2022
Biological research
$321,500
Boston University · New York City, NY · 2020
Biological research
$300,000
Emory University · Oklahoma City, OK · 2022
Biological research
$297,000
University of Pittsburgh · Pittsburgh, PA · 2023
Biological research
$275,000
University of Pittsburgh · Pittsburgh, PA · 2022
Biological research
$250,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2022
Biological research
$250,000
University of California Los Angeles · Sherman Oaks, CA · 2022
Biological research
$250,000
University of California San Diego · La Jolla, CA · 2021
Biological research
$246,500
Boston University · New York City, NY · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
University of California Los Angeles · Sherman Oaks, CA · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
University of California Santa Barbara · Santa Barbara, CA · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
University of Utah · Salt Lake City, UT · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2021
Biological research
$225,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
University of Utah · Salt Lake City, UT · 2020
Biological research
$225,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2020
Biological research
$196,500
Yale University · New Haven, CT · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
Columbia University · New York, NY · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
Medical University of South Carolina · Los Angeles, CA · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2022
Biological research
$175,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Dallas, TX · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
Columbia University · New York City, NY · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
Rutgers University Newark · Piscataway, NJ · 2021
Biological research
$175,000
University of Pittsburgh · Pittsburgh, PA · 2021
Biological research
$172,000
Boston University · New York, NY · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University Ithaca · Ithaca, NY · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
University of California Santa Cruz · Santa Cruz, CA · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Urbana, IL · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
Washington University in St Louis · St Louis, MO · 2022
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University Ithaca · Ithaca, NY · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University New York · New York City, NY · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
Northwestern University Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
University of California Santa Cruz · Santa Cruz, CA · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Urbana, IL · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
University of Pennsylvania · Philadelphia, PA · 2021
Biological research
$150,000
Cornell University New York · New York City, NY · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Northwestern University Evanston · Evanston, IL · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Scripps Research Institute California · La Jolla, CA · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of California San Diego · La Jolla, CA · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of Michigan · Ann Arbor, MI · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of Minnesota Twin Cities · Minneapolis, MN · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
University of Texas Austin · Austin, TX · 2020
Biological research
$150,000
Vanderbilt University · Nashville, TN · 2020
Biological research
$100,000
Albert Einstein College of Medicine · Bronx, NY · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Baylor College of Medicine · Houston, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center · Los Angeles, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Duke University · Durham, NC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Emory University · Atlanta, GA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Massachusetts Institute of Technology · Cambridge, MA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Medical University of South Carolina · Charleston, SC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Ohio State University · Columbus, OH · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Princeton University · Princeton, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Rowan University · Stratford, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University New Brunswick · New Brunswick, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University Piscataway · Piscataway, NJ · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Stanford University · Stanford, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Texas a&M University College Station · College Station, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Alabama Birmingham · Birmingham, AL · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of California Irvine · Irvine, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of California Los Angeles · Los Angeles, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of California San Diego · La Jolla, CA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign · Champaign, IL · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Massachusetts Worcester · Worcester, MA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Michigan · Ann Arbor, MI · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of New Mexico · Albuquerque, NM · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of North Carolina Chapel Hill · Chapel Hill, NC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Pennsylvania · Philadelphia, PA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Texas Austin · Austin, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center · Dallas, TX · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
University of Utah · Salt Lake City, UT · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University · Blacksburg, VA · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Wake Forest University · Winstonsalem, NC · 2023
Biological research
$100,000
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center · West Hollywood, CA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Ohio State University · St Louis, MO · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Princeton University · Princeton, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Rowan University · Glassboro, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University New Brunswick · Piscataway, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Rutgers University Piscataway · Piscataway, NJ · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Texas a&M University College Station · Los Angeles, CA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of Alabama Birmingham · Birmingham, AL · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of Chicago · Chicago, IL · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of New Mexico · Albuquerque, NM · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
University of Texas Austin · Austin, TX · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Universtiy of North Carolina Chapel Hill · Chapel Hill, NC · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University · Blacksburg, VA · 2022
Biological research
$100,000
Emory University · Oklahoma City, OK · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Georgia State University · Atlanta, GA · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Ohio State University · St Louis, MO · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
Texas a&M University College St · Los Angeles, CA · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
University of San Diego · Philadelphia, PA · 2021
Biological research
$100,000
University of South Carolina · Newton, MA · 2021
Biological research
$97,000
Boston University · Boston, MA · 2023
Biological research
$97,000
Yale University · Hamden, CT · 2022
Biological research

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